KTIM AM & FM  in San Rafael, California, produced some outstanding programming for several years in the '70s & '80s. The FM had a free-form, progressive rock format (much like KSAN) which was simulcast on the AM until 1981, when the AM changed to a big-band swing format designed by Norman, a topic he was eager to gain more knowledge about. Several former KSAN DJs  worked at KTIM, including Dusty Street, Bobby Dale and Bob McClay. Norman did some fill-in shows and produced a few specials for the stations in the early '80s, and became Operations Manager of KTIM-AM when it became "The Big Band Blend".